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Financial Samurai is another blogger who out of the blue started selling their services like crazy. Their fees are fixed though; not a percentage. To get a overall picture of spending analysis, asset allocation, and associated tax efficiency, Personal Capital really offers that convenience. I am investing 20 percent of our income ( 410k) and another 10k in IRA’s but feel like it is a crap shoot since no mater the trying my mind doesn’t grasp investing well. Through a series of calls and emails, I got to speak with a very knowledgeable financial guy around my age, who happened to be located in PC’s Denver office. So at worst it seems like their performance will be around the same as other indexes, and at best it may be significantly better. Doesn’t look as pretty as PC, and doesn’t auto-download account info. (The other thing that gets me is their Investment Analysis page warns me about how my investment in mutual funds could be costing me due to “high fees”, but my mutual funds are index funds… I’m paying .05% right now on those funds, but they’d like me to pay 18x that mount to have my account managed.). Wealthfront and Betterment are great for a simple lower cost automated solution. Moreover, PC has a minimum of $100,000 and charges 0.95% at that level. While it is likely both services would make claims about deleting your stored banking credentials the only way to be certain is to change your passwords and security questions at your financial institutions. I am doing the exact same thing to track my total asset allocation, and 401 Fee analysis! Mr. Money Mustache The risk here is that one of these enterprises could be thoroughly compromised akin to the 2005 compromise of Card Systems Solution, the 2007 compromise of TJ Maxx, the the 2011 compromise of the Sony Play Station Network or the recent compromise of Adobe. Also, because this is certainly the best place to air my grievances with PC, a good 10% of my funds are apparently un-categorizable, why can’t I just categorize them myself? With regard to index funds being capitalization-weighted, it’s worth noting that there are “equal-weight” S&P 500 index funds like RSP, the Rydex Equal-Weight S&P 500 index fund. One is just because I’ve had the account with them longer so I have more data to play with. Is it worth switching from Mint or using both? I am currently looking for a better way to track my finance, I am using spreadsheets…. a rental property) without maintaining a separate bank account for the rental? After all, you must understand your spending and you must invest your money, so removing any roadblocks to those goals is important. October 14, 2013, 11:48 pm. Mr. Money Mustache October 11, 2013, 5:54 pm, You may be confusing “Fee-Only” with “Fixed Fee.” Fee-Only is characterized by not accepting commissioned based on the investment recommendations and only a fee from the client in order to deliver objective advice. October 12, 2013, 10:15 am. As a Canadian with both Canadian and US accounts, Mint (US) serves my purpose the best since I am able to link both US and Canadian accounts in one place. I don’t like to take unnecessary risks with my money, but in this case, the rate of return on using these services is high enough, and the risk low enough, that I’m fine with the risk. Look at ticker RSP. In college, one of my girlfriend’s professors recommended that she attend a particular money management seminar and I went along for the ride. I can afford to take a few minutes (rotating my banking credentials) every month to ensure my peace of mind. I feel YNAB is budgets on training wheels and certainly can help people who need the guidance and feel the concepts help. If you enter “digitaal huishoudboekje” or a related term into your search engine of choice, you can probably find others. The blogger Mr. Money Mustache, an engineer named Pete who lives in Longmont, Colo., retired eight years ago at the age of 30. I recently became a Personal Capital convert. They specifically named Afas (online) and Cashflow (offline). (And that’s not just to protect against hackers, but because individual institutions can fail — tying up your assets even if they’re eventually covered by insurance — or have non-security-related problems with their systems, etc.). Knowledge is power, so thanks for the post MMM. May(6) Stocks -- Part VIII: The 401K, 403b, TSP, IRA & Roth Buckets; Mr. Money Mustache; The College Conundrum; Stocks -- Part VII: Can everyone really retire a millionaire? Just read you and Mr. Collins’ blog articles on Vanguard funds and am in the process of moving old 401k and Roth accounts over there. Adding in the ability to edit individual holdings and assign an allocation to them is in the roadmap, probably not until Q1 of next year. October 12, 2013, 10:24 am. I connected with him while up in Gainesville for Camp Mustache a couple of weeks ago. It’s basically like having a full-time money mogul on speed-dial. HTH. :), Joel Farris I dig how these pieces of software can show you your financial past, but equally love how they can help you plan ahead. Adeney retired from his job as a software engineer in 2005 at age 30 by spending only a small percentage of his annual salary and consistently investing the remainder, primarily in stock market index funds. My investment-provider of choice actually will tell you that they recommend using Mint.com, so no one there has ever told me that their official policy is not to share it. For investment tracking, I signed up for SigFig. This is not true. FinancialFairway Mr. Money Mustache About: To learn more about Mr. Money Mustache , click the blog title or image above, or click the link below to check out their website. The only reason I feel reasonably safe is that the probability of actual un-recoverable theft on a per-person basis is very rare. Is it really a good idea to dump all this into investments that I know nothing about? October 12, 2013, 10:20 am. Re: Reasons Why Mr. Money Mustache Got A Divorce « Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 07:40:03 PM » I have no idea and I don't want to judge another man's life, but I do agree that when you sell a lifestyle based on your own like it's relevant to readers if you get a divorce. 0.4% expense ratio w/ significant out-performance relative to the S&P (since 2003, when RSP launched). Instead, they are hoping to build enough trust that you will hire them to manage your investments for you, in exchange for a fixed-percentage fee of about 0.89% of your managed assets (this percentage drops if you have over $1M under management). I find more value in being able to spot fraudulent transactions, identify service charges and fees, and see everything in one place than in the potential downside of having a third party company, in this instance Yodlee, that provides account aggregation to financial institutions have access to credentials. Speaking of financial services, have any of y’all tried out Simple? The desktop version of Personal capital has the most features and is the easiest to use. Money Dance is free as it is an open source program–although it doesn’t have the pleasing interface of Personal Capital. September 22, 2015, 4:43 am. July 23, 2015, 12:17 pm. I saw an earlier article of yours about Mint as well, and read the debate about the wisdom of using Mint.com from a security standpoint. Eventually I found that the brokerage was locking my token, apparently due to unauthorized attempts to access my accountl. But my nest egg grows gradually so I’ve never questioned what the adviser is doing with my money. I know a lot of the r/PF’ers read your blog, and while I wholeheartedly recommend PC’s website as a Mint alternative (especially for folks with accounts Mint won’t handle but PC will), I wanted to warn them off of the investment side. At first both seemed very similar, and I’m supportive of both business approaches. It sounds very similar, but the cost of them managing is a fixed monthly rate of either $9 or $19 depending on assets, which can be a lot lower than 0.9%. His blog is now earning around $400,000 a year and he plans to donate the money away some day. Mr Money Mustache lovers will rally around her frugal lifestyle and appreciate her general badassity and commitment to the MMM lifestyle. Any yodlee.com users out there? He's got 12 money tips that could help you retire earlier too. October 11, 2013, 2:50 pm. Maybe not as polished looking as these online choices, but it gets the job done. Spend your money on what makes you happy and conversely, don't spend money … Very pushy. Mr. Money Mustache I have my 457b, the 403b, the Roth IRA in “when do you retire” funds. They keep calling me and don't seem inclined to take a hint that I'm not going to give them any of my business. On the plus side for personal capital I’ve been able to add my mortgage holder, that for whatever reason I was unable to add in Mint. I really really like the way personal capital presents information. I turned mine off as soon as I noticed the mails. What an *sshat. Stephanie Mad Fientist I wasn’t willing to wait 10 days though. We can show income vs spending over time, by category, by payee, and show you your net savings or spending per month. It makes my portfolio look out of whack. I read my financial summary from Mint.com on every Friday. I’m considering adding them as a portion of my portfolio in the near future. Thanks – that looks cool. I’ve been investing through the family financial adviser for about 10 years and it has always been an opaque affair. I worked the FA assigned to me to match risk as best as possible, by telling them my allocation into equities/bonds, US/int’l, etc. The origins of the Mr. Money Mustache blog and Pete’s own frugal habits. Jim, perhaps you’re using a different version of Quicken than I am, or you have it set up differently. After five months of skepticism and trial, I have to reluctantly admit that this company is a worthwhile addition to the modern financial landscape. I always found the investment management side of Mint to be underwhelming so I had been searching for a replacement for quite a while. You can download your transactions to quicken or csv format and import them into GnuCash. However, this article is a breath of fresh air to me. Sure hope it learns how to classify transactions and does not decide I spent $14k on clothing and shoes every month. Not useful when trying to really examine net worth. so the fees the customer pays are anywhere from 1.25-2.00% based on what your portfolio composition is made of. That's unfortunate that their advisors seem so inept. October 12, 2013, 12:17 pm, Thanks for the informative review. October 12, 2013, 7:58 am. A similarly related botch in Mint is when your financial advisor moves your investments from one custodian to another. Personal Capital is based right here in my hometown of San Francisco. Not that I do anything with the portfolio, but it’s neat in a “yep, it’s all still there!” kind of way. I’m particularly fond of the “Investment Checkup” feature: My own allocation at the time of update (Aug 2015). For more casual sampling, have a look at this complete list of all posts since the beginning of time or download the mobile app. $10k. Whatever works for each person though! There are a few financial institutions that allow (or even require) the use of secondary, read-only passwords for aggregator access. I’m a user of Mint and big fan of MMM. Others would be smart to use Face-To-Face if they are very nervous during market downturns. I can’t see why anyone would be so dumb and offer these businesses some of their most private details for free in return for intransparent “advice”. October 11, 2013, 2:24 pm, I think .9% is much too high for asset management fee. Doing your way will at least automate part of it, without any loss of privacy, though. I’ve been looking for advice on how to get investment accounts away from financial advisers so if you have any tips I would be most grateful! However, my husband, who works in cloud computing, thinks that it isn’t secure enough. How do you feel about the idea that they could sell your information in the future? Free/open source. I already liked Mint and have been recommending it for years, so I was initially skeptical when Personal Capital joined the scene and asked me if I would try out their product. Also on Trends, why do you find Mint’s trends feature more useful than our cash flow feature? Whereas if you use the bank’s own online banking system, and there is a security breach, etc., the bank is liable. It is similar to Mint, and it is also free to use. Recently, they changed this to 2-3 days. These people have got the savings rate thing down, and thus they are able to accumulate money. The bike is an automatic life-balancing machine. For every time you get burned from trusting too much, you get rewards that are several times greater by being more trustful. Emerging market fundamental indexes have shown a very large outperformance since they were first created. (11:47) Why Pete believes we should be looking for difficulty and challenge over convenience. However, Personal Capital’s allocation guidelines are solid and if you just follow the recommendations you will probably do better than most of the investing public. Indexing purists like me raise an eyebrow at any strategy that suggests it might beat the market, but at least their principles are sound and I would not expect this strategy to differ much from overall market returns. Either this asset management service at Personal Capital is overcharging or we are under charging…and I don’t think we are undercharging. All of these differences in focus between Mint and Personal capital are deliberate, and they are caused by the differences of the underlying business model of the two companies. We downloaded it after reading your comment and I can already tell it will really help us kick a few lingering, anti-mustachian spending habits. Why on earth can’t banks empower investors to securely leverage these tools using authorization technologies like OAuth? That section is specifically about the Quicken Connected Service for your mobile device. I’m more a fan of J Collins and John Bogle on this point – keep it simple and low cost. Obviously since I work on financial software and have been building and supporting aggregation solutions for years, I’m of a different opinion. Herr Handlebar October 11, 2013, 5:31 pm. Sadly, I don’t believe it works for folks outside the US. Our fees are 1% up to $2mm, .75% $2-5mm, .5% $5-10mm, and .25% for $10mm plus. One thing that gets me, and I know this is just a business model decision, is that they claim to have a better model for Index Funds but then they don’t create a low-fund Index Fund using their “better” model. There’s a book with a fairly good history of past (theoretical) returns as well as an explanation of why it should work, written by Rob Arnott. WageSlave Also, can bonds be broken out differently DR 007: How to Retire at Age 30 [with Mr. Money Mustache] Advertiser Disclosure This article/post contains references to products or services from one or more of our advertisers or partners. I think you are correct, you shouldn’t have trouble finding a CFP designated fee-only financial planner to meet in-person with for the same price as the Personal Capital advisors. On the other hand, I wouldn’t mind an email with a summary of my weekly spending. I wish more companies did this! On the plus side, I do appreciate that they send me a notification everytime I use the card. I know their security is tight, but I liked the fact that Mint is only ever read only access to the accounts. I use pc and love it with just a couple frustrations. Fees all depend on what you are getting i.e. And also, have you used SigFig, how does it compare? Mint recommends FutureAdvisor, like it recommends many other services. I use Mint and have considered checking out Personal Capital but I continue to have grave concerns about the security of these service. I believe there are also equal-weighted S&P 500 ETFs. Which is to say, just because their web site is a read only view of the account, does not mean much. © Mr. Money Mustache. PC’s published benchmarks show their standard allocation beating the market in the current up cycle, so you must have a different allocation. Namely my bank, which is a small, local Credit Union. I see no such option… other than actually creating an entirely separate account on the site that you only added your joint accounts to, but Mint would support that as well. Giving mint.com all my financial usernames and passwords, with all the power that comes along with it, is probably just asking for trouble. I've had the same issue as you capitalninja. What if it were some standard that banking institutions provided. One caveat to your characterization, though: The bigger risk than brute-force attacks via a Web interface is that the hackers manage to get hold of the actual user database with passwords in it. It’s hard for Mr. Money Mustache to admit that not everyone has exactly the same interests and skills, but this is one example of it :-), Plex Luthor If you spend some time re-categorizing those line items you will get better/clearer results in the pie charts and graphs. The platform is cool, but you could get lower asset management fees elsewhere. The whole financial system is built on trust rather than true security, and this is just another example where you have to grin and throw yourself in. I think you need to make sure you don’t have the relevant bank/investment/credit card accounts checked as a category for tracking; otherwise, the report will show (for example) a payment from your checking account to the credit card account as an additional “expense,” when really the expense was incurred and already tracked in the credit card account itself (i.e., is now double-counted in the report). So far it has cost me an extra ~$2k, but the FA keeps telling me to wait a full business cycle (up to 5 years) to see their advantage. Fear is a powerful thing. Oh is this timely. The fact that these financial analysis sites have to escrow my credentials for all of my vital banking and investment accounts seems insane to me. The PC guys will tell you that their performance will make up for the cost just like all the other fund managers do, except we know 80% fail to beat the index. And this offer only comes if you have over $25,000 of assets available to manage. FutureAdvisor (one word, ‘o’ at the end) does not belong to Mint. October 13, 2013, 8:18 am. FinancialFairway But it has a greater focus on investment tracking and investment advice, and in fact the software sort of functions as an investment teacher. That’s been established in numerous studies and is importantly backed up by common sense. like.liberation Not sold on Simple yet We just set up automated direct deposits twice monthly into our Vanguard investment accounts through our credit union. Evan Lynch The problem is, I have no idea if this is enough to see us through retirement. Mr. Money Mustache's best content on one simple page. More life-changing info from MMM–thank you! (17:25) Solid, objective advice is needed in a bad way by most people and is worth the fee as long as it is reasonable. Post-tax I’m up about 7.25%, and they’re up 4.55%, but I’m in a very low tax bracket, so the tax-sensitivity at PC might be more valuable to others. It is not unlikely that mint.com could be compromised. You’re sort of right about that: younger companies like Personal Capital, Lending Club, Republic Wireless, Treehouse, etc. Although the product links are noticeable, they are generally relevant and quite possibly useful to Mint users, so they do not bother me. I’d check it out again – not sure if they’ll have your local Credit Union but should be an easy check now if you’ve already set most of it up. I have met with two different investment firms and got a lot of ” honey, it’s ok if you don’t get it. I like that PC seems to offer more to an investor, especially keeping track of the fees I am paying, that sounds like a useful feature. If you add in their understanding of tax strategy and asset allocation, it is easy to imagine how an advisory service like Personal Capital could much more than pay for the ~0.9% that they would charge if you add that option on to the otherwise-free service. 2) Web-based management (wealthfront, Personal Capital, etc.) More information on Investopedia here: October 11, 2013, 3:07 pm. Fundamental ETFs are usually around a 0.7% fee and they typically have a slight outperformance, though not convincing. October 11, 2013, 5:41 pm. and asset management. October 14, 2013, 7:16 am. As a result I have begun interacting differently with these tools. Another Questioner Unlike many other “market beating” strategies, fundamental indexes don’t seem as vulnerable to traders who figure out what they’re up to. I have had to re-balance my account once. I prefer funds since I can autopilot them at vanguard. PC tried to match that, but couldn’t match it perfectly, since my stuff has no int’l bonds, REITs, or commodities, and PC really want to hold those. In general I agree with you that PC is better than letting your money sit idle, but index investing is pretty simple, so that’s what we recommend over there. So I gotta say Thanks Pete. Green Money Stream Battle? Burton Malkiel is involved with a new online asset management website where they charge .25% (wealthfront.com). Thanks for this tip! October 11, 2013, 2:34 pm. I had a choice of other income or investment income. *Most relevant quote from The Four Pillars of Investment: “Performance comes and goes but expenses are forever.”, To keep things non-promotional, please use a real name or nickname(not Blogger @ My Blog Name). 40 minutes of "You need bonds. The advertisers are their customers. Somewhat similar to Mint at first glance, this is one of those smooth and glossy programs that automatically collects all your account balances, investments, and spending in one place. Of course, if either of them actually figures out how to properly track Lending Club, they will have my allegiance. Money Mustache left the working world at 30, and he wants you to, as well. https://www.futureadvisor.com/pricing. Well that’s better than I thought! Amber Bee I’ve used Quicken for many years, but it took me FOREVER to get my configuration setup the way I like it (and I’m an accountant). One reason why is because FutureAdvisor gives you concrete recommendations for your brokerage and retirement accounts for free. This all sounded pretty mysterious to me, so I decided to dig a little deeper over the summer. Personal capital for me seems to have a much cleaner UI. October 12, 2013, 6:30 am. Additionally, using these services can actually help you catch a number of financial issues. Socially Responsible Investing: Is It Also More Profitable? I dumped Mint in part because I felt it treated users like 5 year old kids. Sometimes I writhe in shame, but most times I’m happy with the money I’ve spent. You don't provide enough value to me to justify the almost 1% drag on my portfolio." Volatility equals risk." It’s free. The PC stuff is way beyond where I am at. I know you can’t time the market, but I don’t want to buy at the top again (a la 2007) and have to wait forever to get back just to even. But if you’re considering quicken, you should definitely look at You Need a Budget first: http://www.youneedabudget.com/. We used mint for years but got no actual action out of it. First, when will tradeking be linked? I think the program has a lot of potential and I will be interested to see where you take it from here. FinancialFairway October 18, 2013, 9:58 pm. Although there will never be any sponsored posts on this blog, as I mentioned they do pay a referral fee if someone signs up using the link at the bottom of the article. In the “customize” dialogue in any spending type report, you have to be mindful of (1) which accounts you have selected on the accounts tab, (2) which categories you have selected or de-selected on the categories tab, and (3) make sure to set the drop-down box on the advanced tab to “exclude internal” for transfers. I like the idea of a fundamental index and it seems fairly well researched, but not quite as thoroughly proven as traditional indexes. Thanks for the response! FinancialFairway The interface is nice, and I like the portfolio analysis tool. I look forward to learning more and growing my own badass Money Mustache :). I wonder which posts you’re secretly prepping for now. The only downside is that it isn’t smart enough to adjust the number of shares upwards when I get dividends in those funds, but it’s easy enough to change that share number. I have about $65k in the market at this moment. A hacker is not going to try and hack your Mint account. I am person in scenario A. Yosemite National Park, Mr. 1500’s favorite place on earth! If you do get yourself an account, the final feature worth exploring is the “retirement planner” – a tool that allows you to project how well off you’ll be in retirement based on your current spending and savings rate. That is exactly how these aggregators work. Many people equate Mr. Money Mustache with FIRE. It’s hard to recognize a loss in purchasing power because the number keeps going up. February 10, 2015, 7:01 pm. I did a bit of research and noticed everyone else had already tried out the company and written reviews. With mint.com as with Facebook we are not the customers, we are the product. I opened the app, swiped through a few pages, and came across this little gem of an article, “ How to retire early – 35 years early .” The 3,200 word article / interview told the story of blogger Pete Adeney, a.k.a. Don’t know if you can update that so it’ll link through cleanly. And if you have your own experiences to share in the Personal Capital vs. Mint battle, please share them in the comments. Founded in 2009, the goal of Personal Capital was to provide a blend of cutting-edge technology with objective financial advice, including retirement and budgeting tools. Maybe I will check them out, but I have to admit that I am also one who is a little nervous about handing over all of my login information for every account in one place. October 12, 2013, 6:41 pm. All Rights Reserved |, Poisoned Just Enough: Why I’m so Optimistic About 2021, Two Years Without Health Insurance (and What I’m Doing Now), The Man Who Retired at 27: Why You Should Consider House-Hacking. I expected them to under-perform by their fee (1%), which would cost me $1k per year. ), Mr. Money Mustache William Bernstein (long proponent of low cost investing) even said that he thinks only about 1% of people are actually capable of managing their own assets. To repeat, I do not have much experience with them yet, so I cannot recommend them from personal use (yet). It sounds like this might be just what I need. Individually entering your purchases makes you think about it a lot more than if you just look back at how you spent money. They stopped calling me a while back. Hope that helps. October 11, 2013, 3:18 pm. Their slogans of “We don’t look for home runs”, and “You can’t beat the market by picking stocks”, are very reassuring in this regard. It’s just an account aggregator. I’ve been letting PC manage just over $100k for me since early February, in a similar try-before-I-buy scenario. October 12, 2013, 12:17 pm, I’m in software security, and I tend to share your view about the expected value of potentially losses. I see I can do that with Mint with a simple search so Im going with Mint for now. I like your point about paying 0.9% to have someone manage your money if you’re currently paralyzed and hoarding savings in CDs @ 1%. After politely grilling him with a long list of somewhat skeptical questions, I learned that Personal follows a relatively passive, index-based strategy. You’re the best, MMM! Sir Osis of DeLiver I do not find any comfort in the safety of the herd which I find to be a form of security through obscurity. October 13, 2013, 7:54 am. This interview isn't about the nuts and bolts of Mustachian philosophy or on how to become financially independent in a few short years; those topics have been well covered elsewhere. Take a look around. No need to engage a company like PC to help you buy these. 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